So, let’s you’ve decided that it’s time to start looking abroad for a life partner. Whether it’s toxic Western dating culture, ridiculous standards that many women hold for men, or just a lack of femininity, it is perfectly logical for a man to want to seek a foreign partner. Of course, finding Ukraine brides comes to mind when thinking of the best woman possible. Today, we’re talking all about what it takes to both meet and marry a Ukrainian woman.
Let’s get started!
The Good News About Ukraine Brides
My pal Joey has a saying that I love…
“Ukrainian women cook like professional chefs, have the legs of a supermodel, and the values of your grandmother.”
To be honest, he is completely correct. None of that is an exaggeration!
Ukraine is a genuine anomaly when looking at the world as a whole. In many ways, Ukrainian women are said to be similar to how American women were in the 1950s.
Ukrainian women are family-oriented. They care deeply about their appearance and put a huge amount of effort into looking pretty. Most women in Ukraine are natural homemakers and want the ones they love to feel happy and comfortable. Best of all, the majority of women in Ukraine are rather modest and sexually inexperienced.
Simply put: Ukrainian dating culture is leaps and bounds better than what currently exists in the United States. What’s not to love?
The differences between Western and Ukrainian women have become even more pronounced as American women dive deeper into feminism.
Even the divorce rate is at 50% in the United States! It’s perfectly reasonable, if not smart, for a man to want to look elsewhere for a bride.
But, there are some issues you need to be aware of when looking for a Ukrainian woman for marriage.
The Bad News
The bad news that you must be aware of when hunting for a Ukraine bride is that the internet is fraught with scams.
You have to understand that Ukraine is a poor country.
Most regular people simply cannot get a job that pays them more than $400 a month. Of course, if you choose to live there, you can live like a king. It also means that things can get a little bit dicey when dealing with Ukrainian companies.
Naturally, many Ukrainians have taken to the internet to try to make money in whatever way possible. Sadly, they will do so even if it means being deceptive and scamming you.
Many entrepreneurial types have set up”dating agencies” that do not have your best interest in mind.
These companies will often prey on your vulnerability, promising you. the world and delivering nothing. It’s sad, sure. I’d bet that if you were in the same situation as many of them, you would do the same thing.
Luckily for you, you’ve stumbled upon this website. I am sick of watching other guys from the West be exploited by dubious “dating agencies.”
I set this guide up to give you a helping hand when looking for a Ukraine bride.
To be fair, I do know of one company that offers legitimate romance tours in Ukraine. Regardless, I tell guys to be educated and explore other options before they decide to make such a costly decision.
Staying Safe Online
Short of actually getting on a plane and going to Ukraine, the best thing you can do to start meeting Ukrainian girls is to get online.
No matter how you go about chatting with Ukrainian girls online, there are generally a few precautions you must take.
First of all, you want to ensure that the girl you are speaking with is actually who she says she is. Many Ukrainian bride agencies will use fake photos of beautiful women and hire any random village girl to “chat” with them from an office space in Kyiv.
I know this is shocking, but you actually see this stuff living in Ukraine. Every few days, a new posting comes up on a Ukrainian jobs website looking for “female chat operators.” Having been through the ins and outs of dating in Ukraine, I know exactly what this means.
A quick way to verify her identity is to try to “bounce” her off of the service you’re chatting with her on.
I spoke about this in my guide on how to meet Ukrainian girls on Tinder. The trick is to get her WhatsApp or Viber contact and move the conversation off of whatever site you are using.
Better yet, ask her if she can do a quick, 5-minute conversation on FaceTime. This will immediately put any worries you have to rest.
Granted, you should chat with her for a few days or so before making this request. After a week of talking, it’s completely acceptable to request her contact info. You’ve been chatting for a week, after all!
99% of the time, if a girl refuses to give you her contact info, you can be sure that something is not right from the getgo.
What’s The Deal With Agencies That Deal With Ukraine Brides?
The best piece of advice I can give to someone who wants to marry a Ukrainian girl is to actually take a trip to Ukraine. I know, I know. This sounds daunting, especially if you have never traveled internationally. But, going abroad to meet women is one of the best character-building experiences that a man can undergo.
That being said, many men are worried about foreign language differences, getting around, finding accommodation, and all of the other factors that weigh into taking a trip abroad.
An easy solution to this is to sign up for what is known as a “romance tour.” These are essentially organized trips in which a group of men will be guided to a few different Ukrainian cities and introduced to hundreds of different women in a week’s time.
If the trip’s organizers are Americans themselves with a whole host of contacts in Ukraine, it’s a sure sign that the company is legitimate. They will put out ads in the local paper leading up to the event, offering single women the opportunity to meet foreign men.
For women, it’s a no-brainer. They’re given complimentary champagne and the chance to mix and mingle with men from a faraway country.
The problem with these trips is that they can often cost as much as $5,000 to go on. On top of that, they often charge a serious premium for a monthly membership, and sometimes even for communicating with the girls on their site.
Clearly, that’s not something I’m fond of, so I encourage most men to start small and work their way up.
Who Should Consider Using an Agency For Ukraine Brides?
The bottom line: 95% of you should not consider using a Ukraine bride agency.
The primary reason I say this is because of the rather extreme financial investment that they require.
I’m not going to say that every Ukrainian dating agency that exists is a scam. In fact, I actually know a few couples who have met on one particular site. The big difference here is that the man was very financially well off and felt that he had nothing to lose going on a romance tour. He didn’t mind putting up the initial expenses, and in exchange, ended up with a beautiful Ukrainian wife after an organized tour around Ukraine.
If you feel you’re in that 5%, you can check out A Foreign Affair. This is the ONLY site I would ever suggest anybody who is seriously interested in going on a romance tour look into. I can tell you from personal experience that this is probably the only service that screens every girl that signs up to ensure she is who she claims to be.
I know that some of you are jet-set on using services like these, and nothing I say is going to change your mind. If this is you, at least do yourself a favor and use a service that is legitimate and where you stand a chance of actually meeting someone amazing.
Even still, I suggest 95%, even 98% of men reading this article start off with a smaller investment and use a simple dating app instead.
Finding Brides on Ukraine Date
As any long-time reader of this website knows, we’re huge fans of a website called Ukraine Date. Ukraine Date is an American run company that operates in Ukraine. The service even has a comprehensive trust & safety team. You can be sure that it is one of the safest options that exist for meeting Ukrainian women online.
But, let’s get one thing straight. Even though Ukraine is a foreign country, many of the customs involving marriage and courtship are the same as anywhere.
Successful marriages come from couples who meet one another, spend quality time together, and fall in love.
Love is a beautiful thing. It’s one of the only things that makes dealing with the misery of the real world worth it. While people may have been limited to only dating those who lived close by in previous years, the internet has opened up a whole host of possibilities for those who want to date abroad.
If you’re interested in finding Ukraine brides online, you must take action now. Like it or not, you have to play the field a little bit here, and that’s a good thing.
Ukraine Date is a premium service that will run you roughly $30 a month for a platinum membership. There are, quite literally, thousands of Ukrainian women who use the service every single day, meaning your choices are endless.
When compared with a bride agency that can end up costing you thousands throughout your time using it, it’s a serious no-brainer to give it a shot. What’s even better is that signing up for an account is free at first.
Dip your toes into the water with a service like Ukraine Date, and I’d bet you will be pleasantly surprised with your results.
Conclusion
There you have it, the secrets that nobody will tell you about Ukraine brides.
While there are plenty of scams out there, you can bet there are a few trustworthy services that you can use to meet, and hopefully, marry a beautiful Ukrainian woman.
There’s no denying that online dating has become one of the best ways for guys from all around the world to meet beautiful Ukrainian women. Short of actually going to Ukraine and getting integrated into the local culture, dating apps are second to none when a man is weighing his options on how to meet women. That being said, one topic that frequently comes up in conversation is the possibility of using Tinder in Ukraine. As such, many travelers eagerly ask us “Does Tinder work in Ukraine?” before voyaging to your favorite country. While Tinder is not the best app for meeting girls in Ukraine, it is certainly possible to use it while traveling abroad.
Without further adieu, let’s get into how to meet Ukrainian women on Tinder.
Preparation
Tinder is very much a numbers game.
You present an image of yourself that explicitly highlights your attractive characteristics with the intention of gaining the interest of as many girls as possible. From there, you filter through the ones you like, and those you don’t in the hopes of successfully meeting, and seeing where things go from there.
I’m assuming you know how to use the app. After all, swiping left and right isn’t too hard to figure out.
Where most men do need some coaching, however, is in setting up their profile to present the best image of themselves and put their best foot forward.
As such, you should put some thought into your bio.
Bio
It is here that you should try to reveal your foreign status. Like it or not, being a foreigner will often gain you a few points with girls when traveling anywhere.
Pro tip: This is especially useful when using Tinder in Odessa, Ukraine. Girls there can be a bit more “looks oriented” than other parts of the country.
Additionally, pointing out that you are a foreigner communicates that you speak English. I like to do this by putting the American flag emoji into my bio. It’s a slick way of showing your nationality without blurting it out in such a direct manner. If you do speak any other languages, this is definitely the place to list them. Additionally, you can mention the dates that you’re visiting if it is a shorter trip. This creates a sense of urgency for meeting up.
Humorous Tinder bios may work in most Western countries. Ukraine is, however, not typically a place that takes well to goofy humor. Most women appreciate a straightforward, masculine man.
Here’s an example of a good Tinder bio. Feel free to copy it word for word.
The Golden Rule of Conversation Starting
If there is one thing you take away from this blog, please let it be the following line:
“Do you speak English?”
I know, I know. This sounds rudimentary at best and boring at worst, but trust me on this. No other phrase serves as such a useful, indirect conversation starter that simultaneously communicates that: you are foreign, that you do not speak any other languages, and that you’re interested in speaking to her.
Again, trying to get witty with your pickup lines in Ukraine is usually a recipe for disaster. Most girls don’t speak English well enough to understand the complexities of American humor. If they do, they are often perplexed as to why a man’s first words to them are said jokingly.
You can generally begin every interaction on Tinder in Ukraine with “Hey. Do you speak English?” which you can add a smiley face to or not, depending on your personality.
Most commonly, she will reply with either: “Yes,” or “A little.” When using Tinder in Odessa, Ukraine, you may find that girls are a bit more open to chatting as their personalities can be slightly different than in a place like Kiev.
Boom. The fun has just begun.
Simple, Easy To Understand Questions
A good reply to this is something like “Oh good, I just came to Ukraine. Do you like it here?”
This next line is designed to engage her a little bit, as most girls will either reply with something like “No hahaha” or “so-so.”
You can expect them to ask you why you’ve come to Ukraine. If you’re in Kiev, Lviv or Odessa, it is believable enough that you’re traveling through Europe and wanted to explore Eastern Europe.
If you’ve gone to a more obscure, smaller town, I’d suggest having a more solid backstory. Most women are not going to believe that you have come to their small village for sightseeing purposes.
So, you’re conversing, and she’s responding to you. These are all good signs you’re going to be meeting a cute Ukrainian girl sometime soon. Your next move, however, is probably the most important step when using Tinder in Ukraine.
Bounce Her Off Of Tinder
Tinder should serve as little more than a place to make a quick introduction to a cute girl, and your goal should be to establish contact through another medium shortly after beginning the chat.
You may have a Ukrainian phone number, and even if you do, I do not suggest asking for this and texting her via cellular.
This is because most girls in Ukraine are poor. Their phones are often out of “credits,” meaning they haven’t paid the monthly bill. They won’t get your texts, and you’ll end up worried if they’re ignoring you.
Instead, most Ukrainian girls are experts at using free WiFi to communicate. Most towns in Ukraine have free WiFi in the city center. It’s a cost-effective strategy for most Ukrainians to save on their cell phone bill.
Keep in mind, a cellular plan in Ukraine is usually no more than $6 a month. That, my friends, is how poor these people are.
Instead of asking for a phone number, get her contact on either WhatsApp, Viber, or Instagram.
If you choose to ask for a WhatsApp or Viber contact, she will still give you a phone number, but you will use a special app to text her through. It sounds complicated, but it is just a way of sending free text messages over WiFi.
Instagram Game in Ukraine
“Let’s chat on Instagram. What’s your username?”
Remember to use simple, easy to understand English, almost as if you’re talking to a child. This may be hard first. Keep in mind that you generally have to tone down your vocabulary a little bit when dealing with non-native English speakers.
If, on the other hand, you have an Instagram account with a following, and photos that show you engaging in attractive hobbies such as traveling, working out, and other things that make you who you are, I suggest going for her Instagram account.
Most girls now use Instagram as a chatting app. If you have an attractive lifestyle with a decently sized following, you can leverage this as yet another thing that makes you appealing to her.
Once she has given you her info to contact her on another platform, wait about 10 minutes before messaging her there. You don’t want her thinking you’re too eager…after all.
Once 10 minutes pass, add her WhatsApp or Viber contact or follow her on Instagram, and set up your date.
Apps like Tinder tend to attract a certain type, and they often swoon over a guy with tons of followers and likes on his photos.
On Ukraine Date, you won’t have this problem.
First Dates From Tinder in Ukraine
One huge mistake that too many guys make when meeting girls on Tinder is treating their first interaction like a “real date.”
Tinder, in particular, has some seriously varying levels of quality, especially when compared to premium apps where the girls are far hotter on average.
For this reason, I suggest your first meetup with a girl from Tinder in Ukraine being no more than a quick, 30 minute to one-hour coffee date.
Tell her that you’re very busy your first few days in Ukraine, but that you would still like to meet.
“You seem interesting to me. I’m free on Tuesday at 3:00 PM. Let’s meet for a coffee at ________ for an hour or so. Are you available?”
If you’re lucky, she will be, or she will make time in her schedule to see you. There’s nothing wrong with changing to a time that suits her if she cannot make that particular date, as she’s likely quite busy with going university and family obligations.
Even still, I suggest that you make an effort to choose venues and suggest specific times. The last thing you want to do is let her think that you’re canceling your plans to meet her and that she’s tasked with choosing the venue.
Girls randomly canceling dates, or not showing up at all, is the biggest problem with meeting girls on Tinder in Ukraine.
Realistically, there’s nothing you can do to prevent this, and you run the risk of potentially having your time wasted.
The best piece of advice that I can give is to limit your dates to no more than one hour and set up multiple dates on the same day.
Doing this allows you to schedule in three or four different girls to meet, so if even 50% of the bail, you won’t walk away completely empty-handed.
Even still, I can’t stand to have my time wasted and prefer using higher quality dating apps than Tinder, where flaking is far less common and the girls are way hotter.
Let’s not forget that Tinder is like the “wild west” of online dating. While you can certainly have a good time if you manage to accomplish all of the above steps successfully, you are still dealing with some potential risks that don’t exist with other apps.
Risks of Using Tinder in Ukraine
You definitely have to keep in mind that using Tinder outside of the United States is definitely a bit more dangerous than when using it at home.
While Ukraine is, for the most part, a very safe country, you should naturally be somewhat skeptical of girls you meet on Tinder while traveling abroad.
Let’s just say that Tinder attracts a certain “type” of girl, one that might not be the highest quality when compared to a premium service.
Don’t forget: Tinder does almost nothing to regulate the service, it’s users, and what goes on in the app. 50 million people use the app worldwide. It’s just way too big to effectively police.
I’ll be honest, I’ve heard some serious horror stories from using Tinder in Eastern Europe. Tinder, for the most part, has a huge problem with fake profiles, catfish accounts, and other weirdo scammers.
While I would hope that most of our readers are smart enough to be able to spot a scam when they see one, you also have to keep in mind that some fake profiles can appear very legitimate at first.
It may only be after chatting for a few days that you find out your “Natasha” may not be whole she says she is, and she’s asking you to sign up for a webcam show.
Yes, this actually happens on Ukrainian Tinder.
Uh, yeah…no thanks.
Wasted Time
In the end, you’ll have wasted loads of time. For guys who are trying to make the most of their time in a new country, you will want to avoid this.
It’s for this reason that we recommend our readers try out Ukraine Date, an app that we’re huge fans of.
When a girl signs up for Ukraine Date, she has to verify her account with an ID, a phone number, and other personal information. This is so that the service can ensure she is who she says she is. This feature alone makes it worth the small monthly fee for a premium account.
Not only is Ukraine Date overseen by a comprehensive trust and safety team, but the quality of women you will find on it tends to be leaps and bounds better than what’s hanging around on Tinder.
The girls on the app are nothing short of stunning. Even if you’re just curious to see what the average Ukrainian girl looks like, I suggest signing up for an account. It’s free to try, and you have nothing to lose from giving it a go.
Think of Tinder in the same way that you would an old, sketchy friend.
They are notoriously unreliable, are known to waste your time when you let them. Worst of all, they may even be a bit dangerous from time to time.
Even still, you occasionally have a good time together, and won’t delete them from your phone for that reason alone.
That, my friends, is Tinder in Ukraine, in a nutshell.
Tinder vs. Ukraine Date
My suggestion is and always has been that while using apps like Tinder can definitely be fun, there are better choices.
If you have the time to sift through loads of fake profiles, can find a girl who speaks good enough English, schedule a meeting and hope she doesn’t flake, Tinder can work.
Oh, and let’s hope her English is good enough to communicate effectively.
To me, that’s way too much wasted time.
With Ukraine Date, every profile that you see is going to be the real deal. Better yet, they are usually way hotter than what you get on Tinder.
There’s a clear winner here, and it’s not Tinder. While we love online dating, it’s obvious that not all dating apps are created equal. To be successful in a place like Ukraine, a specialty dating service is going to get you far better results.
Ukrainian dating culture is certainly not like that which currently exists in the West, and that’s a good thing! In many ways, it could very much be compared to America in the 1950s. Women are beautiful, feminine, and traditional, and have certain expectations of their men that you must know. Today, we’re going to discuss the ins and outs of Ukrainian dating culture. Let’s get started!
Be The Leader – The #1 Rule of Ukrainian Dating Culture
I have said it before, and I’ll say it again: if you want a feminine woman, you have to be a masculine man.
There’s no getting away from this.
Believe it or not, dating women in Eastern European countries often forces boys to “grow up,” accept responsibility for life and become a man.
Many parents can attest to the fact that traveling has a way of changing their sons for the better. Many young men who travel to Eastern Europe are finally incentivized to do well in life for the very first time.
Western men are told that if we just work hard, good things will happen. When living in the United States, that’s just not always the case anymore.
In Ukraine, there is a clear framework for an expat male to live in a nice home, have a beautiful girlfriend, and make money online. He’s living what was once known as the “American dream.”
Hilariously, let’s compare lifestyle to one in the United States.
Working hard in the West will often land you a stagnant corporate job, an overweight wife who complains, and a life that is dull and unfulfilling.
I digress.
As a man, you will find that it is your responsibility to take the lead in the many situations that life throws at you. This includes your time spent with women. This is the cold, unpleasant reality of the world we live in.
Get used to it. It’s not changing any time soon.
How To Lead a Ukrainian Girl
Being a leader means choosing the restaurants you and the girl(s) you are dating will eat at. It can mean planning how you will your spend your time together, and it definitely means always having an aura of being decisive and “in control.”
I’ve gone as far as telling girls what to major in at university, which jobs to take, and what to wear when they’re around me.
In reality, I did them all a huge favor by weighing in on their choices by offering an educated, Westernized perspective on their lives.
They know it, and I sure as hell know it too.
The last thing you want to do when dating a Ukrainian girl is to say things like: “I’m not sure,” or “It’s up to you.”
This does not mean that you should not entertain her requests or suggestions. It does, however, mean that as the man in a relationship, you have the final say.
That being said, learning to be a leader is a long process. It just doesn’t come naturally to most people.
The best piece of advice I can give you if you want to increase your decisiveness and ability to lead is to start hitting the gym.
Nothing turns a boy into a man like good, old fashioned hard work.
My good friend Victor Pride can show you the ropes of weight lifting with a simple, but effective weightlifting program called Body of a Spartan.
It’s a great program that I suggest every man who needs to step up his leadership abilities try out. Check it out here.
While it may seem like I am advocating for you to be a drill sergeant, you must also keep in mind that Ukrainian dating culture is somewhat relaxed. Believe it or not, plans are made with a huge amount of spontaneity.
Strategy #2: Spontaneity
Perhaps one of the most peculiar aspects of Ukrainian dating culture is the spontaneity of it all.
For as poor of a country as Ukraine, girls are often tied up with more obligations than I’ve seen in any other country.
On a given day, a local girl will have to attend university, work a few hours at a crappy job, and fulfill family obligations such as watching younger relatives or cooking. Hopefully, she still gets to have a social life.
Oh, and then she has to make time for you.
It’s not uncommon for a Ukrainian girl that you’re chatting with to hit you up in the middle of the day and ask if you’re free to go for a walk or have a coffee.
Ukrainian dating culture is extremely spontaneous. You very well may encounter women who are somewhat reluctant to make plans, and instead, have somewhat of a “go with the flow” type of attitude.
This is all the more reason that you have to be proactive in setting up dates, but also reflects the fact that you should be open to somewhat random meetups throughout the day.
In essence: Ukraine is a rather straightforward country. If she agrees to see you, she’s interested. Be flexible, but be confident.
You have likely presented yourself as an interesting, attractive foreigner who shows the potential of being someone great.
Showing potential, as you are sure to see, is a huge aspect of Ukrainian dating culture.
Strategy #2: Show Potential
There is a common misconception that Ukrainian girls, and all Eastern European girls in general, are “golddiggers.”
Disgruntled men will say that they are only after your money. They whine that it’s impossible for a Ukrainian woman to love a foreigner, and other ridiculous ideas that only jealous failed men would resort to.
There are indeed plenty of scams that exist in regards to Ukrainian women (don’t even get me started on some of these bride agencies).
But, you have to remember that money is simply a part of life no matter where you live.
Here’s a crazy idea that most guys can’t seem to understand: girls like guys who have their lives together.
Being flat broke and unable to pay for a coffee date means that you are extremely incompetent in some way.
Family-oriented, traditional women do not like this type of behavior.
On the flip side, having a healthy financial life is a sign that you’re a realistic, well-adjusted man.
Ukrainian Women Are Relationship-Minded
Ukrainian girls are relationship-minded. Even at the earliest phases of dating, she’s likely sizing you up to see if you would be a quality long term partner.
Whether you like it or not, if you have some extra income to play with, it means you can have more meaningful experiences with the ones you care about.
It also means you can be a better, stronger provider should times get tough if you two stay together long enough.
Remember: if you want a feminine woman, you must be a masculine man. Making money is masculine.
Drinks at a fancy cocktail bar? A side trip to Georgia for the weekend? A quick coffee date?
These all are going to require you to have some level of income.
Fortunately, being “rich” and living like a baller in Ukraine is ridiculously easy. Ukraine is one of the cheapest countries in the world. Even having a small internet salary is enough to put you in the top 20% of earners in the country.
If you can make as little as $21,000 a year online, you can live like a rich person in any city in the entire country. I covered this topic in-depth in this post.
Dating A Foreigner Is Different
One of the main reasons that Ukrainian girls date foreigners is that foreign men have the ability to show them new experiences.
New experiences lead to quality time spent together. Quality time means shared experience and memories. Shared experience and memories turn into love and appreciation.
That, my friends, is the formula for a successful relationship.
Dating a foreign guy can mean she’s regularly going to be doing simple things that most Westerners take for granted.
Whether it’s trying out new restaurants, having an apartment that you don’t share with your parents, or the occasional gift, foreign men have a serious leg up on the locals.
Let’s compare that with the experience of dating a local guy.
Dating a Local vs. A Foreigner
If a Ukrainian girl chooses to date a local man, her life is going to be completely different.
That same girl will likely be expected to cook every single meal and hardly ever go out anywhere.
Her boyfriend will make $400 a month working in a local shop, and that’s a “good” salary. She will hardly ever have any alone time with him as they both likely still live with their parents. Gifts will be simple, genuine acts such as a single rose from time to time.
Sure, true love exists and most Ukrainian women end up settling for their own men. Even still, what girl doesn’t want to have a series of wonderful new experiences with a man she cares about?
Before you dismiss Eastern European women as being “gold diggers,” put yourself in their position. Which relationship you would rather be in?
If you’re reading this blog, you probably want to upgrade your dating life by terms of dating beautiful, feminine women with traditional values.
Millions of Ukrainian girls wish to do the same. Ukainian girls want strong, masculine men with the resources to give them the life they deserve.
Did you know that, in today’s world, 40% of relationships begin online?
There are millions of young, beautiful Ukrainian women out there who are looking to establish genuine relationships with foreigners.
The best way of meeting Ukrainian women short of moving to Kyiv is by going online and signing up for an account at a niche dating site like Ukraine Date.
Ukraine Date is, by far, the most effective, trustworthy app out there for meeting these foreign beauties. Even if you’re just somewhat curious, I cannot recommend it enough. Best of all, signing up is free!
I recently passed the two year anniversary of dating my Ukrainian girlfriend. In that time, I’ve learned more about women, life and what it means to be a man than ever before, and I can attribute many of these lessons to my time spent with her. While much of what I thought going in remained true, I certainly gained a new perspective on dating as a whole. Without further adieu, here are 7 lessons I learned from dating a Ukrainian girl.
Lesson #1: American women are absolutely terrible.
When dating women in America, I always knew something wasn’t quite right.
I naturally always felt very uneasy when I would hear about a girl who had slept with 30 different men.
It has always seemed pretty was unfair that a man would have to make dinner for his family after working for 13 hours, while his wife enjoyed a much easier workday if she had a job at all.
It wasn’t until I started dating a Ukrainian girl that I realized how these things are definitely not normal to regular people with traditional values.
The Western world has become a freak show of epic proportions in the past 50 years, and it has been the women who have been most harmed by these social changes.
As such, when I compare my current girlfriend to the girls I’ve dated in the United States, there’s no comparison.
American women believe that they’re entitled to the world, when in reality, they’re at the bottom of the barrel on almost every level.
Did you know that…
Most American women are overweight. The typical American woman now weighs 170 pounds (77kg)!
The average American women sleeps with 15+ men in her life.
…and don’t expect even one of these women to know how to make you a nice, home cooked meal.
Don’t believe me? That’s fine. These are all proven statistics. The truth hurts.
Almost none of these problems exist when dating a Ukrainian girl.
If I’m hungry, she cooks. If she comes over and my apartment is a mess, she starts cleaning it. I don’t even have to ask!
When we first started dating, I (stupidly) told her she doesn’t have to do these things. Looking back, I was a real fool.
Guess what happened? She actually argued with me about it!
I pressed her for an answer.
What makes her want to do my laundry and cook me meals?
“Well…I just want you to feel comfortable and happy.”
My jaw nearly dropped.
Can you imagine an American girl saying this?
“Comfortable and happy…”
I’ll never forget this.
I shouldn’t have been so surprised. Most women used to think like this before feminism became popular in the 1960s. The “1950’s housewife” was never an oppressed woman forced into do things she hates. Actually she was a mentally healthy individual, acting out on her feminine instincts to make her husband and children, well…comfortable and happy.
Nothing beats that. Not one thing in the world.
Worst of all, American women just can’t seem to just accept one simple fact: men and women are different.
Lesson #2: You will learn that gender roles exist for a reason when dating a Ukrainian girl.
At first, I was sure that I was going crazy. What kind of weird world had I stepped into?
Having a woman take care of domestic responsibilities at home was something I had never dreamed of being possible, and yet here it was.
Guess what happened?
I am now able to work harder because the basic things in my life are taken care of.
Think about how much time you have to spend doing little things at home like cooking food, buying groceries, cleaning up messes, etc.
I don’t know about you, but I like to work.
Sometimes I work for up to 12 hours at a time without once stopping to eat. It’s a bad habit I have, but it’s who I am. I’ve done it my whole life.
In fact, this whole situation brings up a memory from yours truly’s childhood.
American Women Won’t Even Cook For Their Children
As a child, I would frequently go hungry at lunch time.
Like most American public schools, my school served absolutely awful food for lunch. The students knew it, the teachers knew it, and the parents knew it. It still amazes me that kids are expected to not only function, but thrive off of eating this slop.
Anyways…
The school food was so bad, that most of the time we just wouldn’t eat. If we did, we’d have a sugary snack from a vending machine followed by an iced tea bought from the cafeteria.
As I got older, I started to wise up a little bit. One of my best friends who I would always eat sugary snacks for lunch with was actually diagnosed with Type I Diabetes.
We were 12 years old, and my closest friend was now required to inject himself with insulin, multiple times a day, for the rest of his life. Naturally, I was curious how this happened.
As it turns out, eating Twinkies for lunch every single day in early childhood has some pretty serious consequences on your health.
So what did I do?
I asked my Dad why my Mom doesn’t pack lunches for my siblings and I to eat at school.
His response was hilariously typical for an American parent.
“Because that’s your job. If you want to eat a good lunch, pack it yourself.”
Guess what happened?
I hardly ever ate real lunches, and I kept eating continued eating machine crap for most of my young adult life.
My grades were horrible, I could never focus, and I weighed 135 pounds at 6 feet tall when I graduated high school.
Thanks Mom and Dad, you sure showed me.
Now, when I’m on a 12 hour work stint, I send my girlfriend a text and I tell her I need her to cook up some dinner. I promise her that afterwards, we can watch a movie, and if it’s especially good, we can go for a walk the next morning.
She eagerly rushes over to my house to cook me a selection of any one of my favorite meals. Sometimes, I just send her a recipe that looks nice and she figures it out.
This isn’t a privilege, and no, I’m not “lucky.”
Eating healthy food is necessary to sustain human life.
If you’re a hard working man who treats his woman well, you deserve to have a good meal to be cooked for you.
Statistically speaking, women don’t work as hard as men in the modern work environment. Men are far more likely to put in overtime, volunteer to take on extra tasks, or even start their own businesses.
I am not saying women never do these things, but the fact of the matter is that on a grand scale, women do far less work than men.
If you really wanna talk about “fairness,” does this not mean that your wife should be in charge of taking care of things at home while you slave away on your business?
It is the fault of spoiled, entitled, lazy American, British, German or other Western women who refuse to do something as insignificant as pack their child a lunch or cook their husband a meal who have ruined this age-old tradition, among countless others.
Gender roles exist for a reason.
They are sacred and directly tied to the biological differences between men and women.
As my own grandmother used to say, “There’s not a man in the world who doesn’t like it when his woman bakes him a cake.”
If only her wisdom lived on to her daughters.
It is these very differences that bring us to our next lesson: women enjoy being led by a man they perceive as strong.
Lesson #3 From Dating a Ukrainian Girl: Women Enjoy Being Led.
How many times have you made the following mistake…
You’re out with your girlfriend, and you’re trying to pick a place to eat.
Of course, you say to her “So, where do you wanna go?”
Her response, after rolling her eyes: “I don’t know…”
You: “…but like, where do you want to go?”
Her: “I don’t know, just pick somewhere!”
You: “Wow, you are so mean.”
I’ll say this just once: You are a man. Make plans. It is your job to decide!
Even American women hate making decisions like this, though they will never admit it that it is because they can’t escape the biological reality of being female.
When I first came to Ukraine, I was foolish enough to make this very same mistake. Instead of scolding me like an American girl, my girlfriend was nice enough to let me in on a little secret.
“You know, girls don’t really like picking these things. Even if we don’t like where you choose, it’s still better than us having to pick. Making decisions makes us anxious.”
Truer words were never spoken.
This plays into a larger truth about all women: they enjoy being led.
Sparing you a full explanation, just know that women like the idea of being with a man who is strong, component, and decisive.
Women hate being with a reactive, nervous little soy boy who can’t make up his mind. Hesitating makes you look weak, and makes her nervous about her choice to be with you.
When dating a Ukrainian girl: you must avoid hesitation, and you must lead!
Lead your woman. Choose the restaurants you will go to, the dates you will go on, and the places you will visit.
I don’t care what your girlfriend likes or does not, if you play the game right, her tastes will soon match yours.
Plus, you picking the places you go can help you to save some cash if you’re smart about it.
Lesson #4: Saving Money Is Easier Than I Thought
I, like most expats in Ukraine, rarely ever look at the bill when I eat out at a restaurant.
I don’t buy things on sale at the grocery store, or do any practical money-saving things I did in America. The savings are so minuscule that I can’t be bothered.
My girl, on the other hand, is totally obsessed with this stuff. She clips coupons, only buys clothes on sale, and negotiates at the market.
She has some serious balls for a lady.
Case in point: we were at the market bazaar the other day. It’s basically an open air market where the locals buy groceries. Groceries there are a little bit cheaper, and you can get some seriously nice meats, vegetables, and spices fora fraction of the price you pay at the grocery store.
Anywhoo…
We were looking for an Indian spice for her to make me one of my favorite meals with. It’s a little bit rare in Ukraine, and there’s only one place in town to find it.
I went up to the spice stand to purchase a bag of spices. The price was all of 130 UAH, or roughly $5.
It’s not cheap, but not super expensive either. I was reaching for my wallet when my girlfriend asked how much it costs to the guy behind the counter. When he told her, she was appalled.
“That’s too much. We give you 100,” she said pointedly to him.
The guy looked at her, smiled, and much to my surprise, replied as such:
“Fine…”
I realized that this is how most people in Ukraine get by on such a low salary. They are always on the hunt for the best deal, and are willing to negotiate for a bette price.
Sometimes, for fun now, me and my girlfriend go to the bazaar and barter with the locals for the best prices on groceries. She loves doing it, and it’s a fun way for me to practice my Russian.
Of course, when she’s not looking, I usually slip them an extra 30 UAH ($1), because there’s no way I’m going to deprive a poor Ukrainian spice merchant of the tiny bit of money they make.
Living in Ukraine has also reconfirmed what I already knew to be true from living in the USA…money solves most problems.
Lesson #5: A Girl’s Mother Will Influence Her More Than Anybody
Watch how a girl’s mother treats her father.
No, I am not saying to make note of how your girlfriend’s mother treats you. She’s going to be on her best behavior when you’re around.
Instead, make specific notice to how she treats her husband.
Is she pleasant, accommodating and caring? Or, is she snippy, short tempered and cold?
Guess what? The way that your girlfriend’s mother treats her father is going to directly influence how she treats you in the long term. She could be the world’s sweetest girl to you, but if her mom is disagreeable with her father, you can look forward to this same behavior in your future should you choose to stay with her.
Luckily, I’m aware of this and have even ended previous relationships over it when girls started acting a bit too much like their catty, disrespectful mothers.
My girlfriend’s mother is very, very kind to her father. She practically worships him, frequently rubbing his feet when he gets home from work, cooking him delicious food, and fulfilling all the roles I would like to see my own wife do.
Lucky for me, I can absolutely see how this woman is my girlfriend’s mother.
Do not ignore this, or write this off. Your girlfriend a near exact genetic copy of her mother, and you can bet she’s going to act like it.
Forget this lesson at your own peril, but I can safely say it is one of the most important I’ve picked up from dating a Ukrainian girl.
Lesson #6: The Most Important Takeaway From Dating a Ukrainian Girl: You Must Take the First Step!
In the United States, or even in countries like Serbia, you might get lucky by being in the right place at the right time with a horny girl, and she’ll approach you.
In Ukraine, this pretty much never happens.
You are always going to have to take the first step and initiate with her.
This is a good thing. Reaching out to girls forces you to grow personally, and cultivates a mindset of taking what you want!
While you can certainly fly over to Ukraine and hit the streets, I suggest you sign up for a free account at Ukraine Date before making such a big commitment.
Online dating in Ukraine is huge, and using a specialized service like Ukraine Date is a great way to have a look at the quality of the girls you’ll be dealing with.
I know plenty of couples that have met on Ukraine Date, and let me tell you, it is the real deal. In fact, I’ve used it plenty of times and have met some of my favorite Ukrainian girls through it.
What are you waiting for? Like all good things in life, you have to take action on what you want.
It’s up to you. Now you know 6, hard learned lessons I’ve learned from dating a Ukrainian girl for two years. Looking back, I would change nothing about our relationship.
My only regret is not starting sooner.
So there you have it. You can either take the first step in improving your dating life, or continue trying to date (and probably failing) with women who won’t even cook you a meal.
There’s no denying that dating Ukrainian women is a huge step up from dating girls from the West. That being said, it can be easy for guys who are used to dating Western girls to make some pretty serious mistakes that will cripple their chances of having a successful relationship with the girl of their dreams. Make these mistakes at your own peril!
Without further adieu, let’s learn about what NOT to do when dating Ukrainian women.
Mistake #1: Not Being Masculine Enough
Gender roles are a two way street. You get what you give.
Many men (predominately those who sit around on the internet all day) complain about how American women are not feminine, how society has ruined the world for men, and how there are just “no good women left.”
This is the exact opposite of what masculine men do.
Newsflash: if you want a feminine woman, you have to be a masculine man.
Femininity and masculinity are Yin and yang. Want a woman who is nice, dresses well, and takes care of you?
Get ready to be a strong, independent man who takes bullshit from nobody, including her.
There is, however, a fine line here. We have to keep in mind that the way you express your masculinity to Ukrainian women is going to be somewhat different than how you would with girls in the West.
Mistake #2: Being “Too” Alpha
American women, for the most part, like being treated badly.
Go ahead. Freak out and cry. I don’t care. This is the truth.
After years of dating these creatures, I grew accustomed to purposely ignoring their requests, not calling them back, or outright ignoring them for days at a time.
Guess what? It worked fabulously. You never, ever want to be in the “nice guy” category with an American girl. The nicer you are to American women, they more desperate they think you are.
I’ve been in both categories, and girls always respond better to the asshole who does not care about them than the nice guy who is sweet to them.
This might sound crazy, but when you start to consider that less men than ever are having sex, it starts to make total sense.
Why would a man who has infinite options available to him do anything other than the bare minimum for a woman?
The truth is, I never really respected these women because of just how easily they would let a variety of different men sleep with them, how poorly they dressed, and how they believed they were owed the world for just existing.
Disrespecting them, for me, is actually pretty easy.
Ever wonder why “nice guys finish last?” This has always been true, but the situation has just gotten insane in the United States in recent years.
In Ukraine, you can still be a normal guy, with a good job who is reasonably nice to his girlfriend, and do pretty well. No matter who you are, you can usually land an attractive girlfriend in that country.
You’ll be delighted to hear that many of the Ukrainian girls you will find are actually deserving of your respect, unlike their American counterparts.
All women enjoy dating a man that they perceive as being high value, who is sure of himself and can walk away at any moment and easily go find another, perhaps even a hotter girl.
These aren’t the kind of girls you quickly “pump and dump” after a one-night stand. In fact, it’s probably going to take at least 3 dates (hopefully more) to get her into bed.
They won’t sleep with you on the first date. If she’s going out with you, you can bet she’s spent a huge amount of time making herself look beautiful for you. As the two of you get closer together, she will likely start to do things like cook meals you enjoy, clean up your house, and generally just try to make you feel happy and comfortable.
What a crazy world that the West has a become. A society where women no longer do the things they are supposed to do, and men no longer treat them with respect as a result.
Don’t do this stuff in Ukraine. Be a gentlemen, although a firm one who enforces his own boundaries. You have to be masculine, remember?
I don’t tell guys to go to Ukraine with the intention of being a hardcore, alpha player. All you will do is confuse the local girls and hurt their feelings, while getting nothing in return.
Here is a life lesson for you: Women don’t randomly deserve your respect because they are female. Women deserve your respect if they are respectable.
Let me tell you this: Ukraine is full of respectable women.
In order to reciprocate the respect your woman shows you, you will have to engage in basic acts of chivalry if you expect to have a successful relationship with a Ukrainian girl.
Mistake #3: Neglecting Basic Chivalry
I know, I know. Chivalry is a dirty word to many guys reading this.
But it really shouldn’t be! After all, if someone respects your boundaries, cooks you delicious food, and does whatever she can to make you happy, should you not want to do something nice in return?
This means doing basic things, like opening doors, taking her hand when she’s stepping out of a vehicle, holding her jacket when she’s putting it on, and of course, paying when you go on dates.
Mistake #4: Not Paying – A Must When Dating Ukrainian Women
The average salary in Ukraine is about $400 a month.
You’re seriously going to tell me that you’re going to ask a girl to split a $20 meal with you if she’s making $400 a month?
Look guys, I don’t love paying for girls when I go out on dates either, but I still do it.
This does not mean acquiescing to her every demand. Do not misinterpret my advice as meaning you have to pay her rent, bills, and give her an allowance every month. If you have a girlfriend that’s asking you for these things early on, I’d be seriously skeptical of her.
Mistake #5: Letting Her Walk All Over You
I hate to break it to you fellas, but just because a woman is from Ukraine does not mean she’s not still a woman.
Like it or not, women are constantly testing your limits. Most men don’t understand this, but I invite you to think back to your own childhood as a good look at practical female psychology.
Imagine you are seven years old, and your mother and father have just told you “no.” Maybe it’s going to your friends house, maybe you wanted to ride your bike on the street, whatever. We all know the feeling.
…and remember, how even if your Dad would tell you no, you would go ask your Mom instead?
You just had to know if you could ride your bike outside, and you were gonna push the limits and test your parents until they let you do so. At a certain point, it wasn’t even about doing what you wanted, but more your childlike brain needing to know if you could get your way.
Let’s say that your Mom agreed to whatever it is that you wanted, at which point you went and you delivered the classic line that is the bane of existence of fathers worldwide.
“But Mom said I could!”
“Fine…” your father replies.
Big mistake.
Now, you are well and fully aware of the fact that your Dad can easily be manipulated, and any time you wanted something, you would use the same tactic. In reality, you realized that your Dad held no authority, and you stopped respecting what he said. You know that, no matter what he says, his authority can be easily subverted and you don’t have to take his words seriously.
Welcome to the mind of a woman.
Just because a woman is beautiful and feminine does not mean she will not test your authority, even unconsciously.
When she asks you, “Baby, I’m gonna go to the club tonight. What do you think of this dress?”
Here’s how you reply: “No.”
No explanation. Don’t even look up from what you’re doing. She doesn’t want you to say yes anyway. It would make you a weaker man.
The reality is, no respectable Ukrainian man would allow his girlfriend to go to to a club without him dressed like a slut.
I’m giving you permission to be, well, a little bit of a jerk. All women, particularly Ukrainian women, tend to enjoy submitting to a strong male authority figure. It’s a huge sexual fantasy that’s baked deeply into the human psyche.
Don’t believe me? Then tell me why 50 Shades of Grey is one of the highest selling books in all of human history.
Be a man. You’ll be rewarded for it.
Remember: She’s not necessarily a bad girl for asking you if she can, but you are a bad man if you allow her to do whatever she wants.
Once she starts asking every weekend and giving you problems in response, that’s when it’s time to start looking elsewhere.
Welcome to being a man. Just as you wouldn’t let a young child ride their bike through a busy street, you’re going to have to make decisions for your girlfriend too.
Conclusion: Is Dating Ukrainian Women All It Is Cracked Up To Be?
Dating Ukrainian women is by far the best upgrade I’ve ever made to my romantic life.
Culturally, women have been taught to respect their male partners instead of introducing drama to his life and making it harder than it has to be.
Instead, a Ukrainian woman sees it as her duty to help you become the best man that you can be by supporting you in the way that a woman should.
Because of this, you’ll have to adopt your dating strategy just a tiny bit, and avoid making a few key mistakes that can cause you to totally blow it.
PS: If you’re looking to meet and date Ukrainian women, I suggest you check out this website, just to get an idea of what’s out there. You won’t be disappointed, I can promise you that!
Young men are often told that two countries are home to the world’s best women: Ukraine and Serbia. Many men have visited both countries out of a desire for adventure and females alike. It’s true, Serbian women are some of the finest on earth. However, no two cultures are the same, and the differences between Serbian and Ukrainian women are not to be glossed over. Today, we’re going to break down the key differences between Serbian girls and Ukrainians…and trust me, there are plenty.
Let’s get started!
The Basics
Let’s get this out of the way: Ukraine and Serbia are two very different countries.
Serbia is a Southern European nation of 7 million. The only real “city” in Serbia is the capital, Belgrade. The rest of the country is mostly villages, with the exception of the small town of Novi Sad. The country is rather inexpensive, and the majority of Belgrade is vastly more developed than most of Ukraine. Serbian culture is a combination of Eastern European and Mediterranean influences. Elements of both cultures are visible in practically every aspect of Serbian life.
Ukraine, on the other hand, epitomizes real Eastern Europe. While most people will visit Kyiv, Odessa, Lviv and even Kharkov are well worth a visit. The country is huge, with 30 million people living there. Sadly, Ukraine is also the poorest country in Europe aside from Moldova, and at times. At times, it can really start to look like a third world country when compared to Serbia.
Most expats find that they generally spend the same amount of money living in both places. Both countries are recovering from Communism, after all. Food and housing are slightly cheaper in Belgrade than Kyiv, but consumer costs for virtually everything else in Ukraine are dirt cheap.
Naturally, these cultures are going to breed two very different types of women. Of course, both have their own sets of advantages and faults.
But first, let’s start off with what most guys find to be most important: looks.
Appearance
Appearance-wise, Ukrainian women are Serbian women are relatively similar with a few key differences.
The first key difference you will notice in Serbia is that women are darker in both hair and skin tone. Serbia is in the Southern part of Europe and is not that far away from Italy, Greece, and the entire Mediterranean.
As a result, Serbian women can often look similar to Italians or even Spaniards, particularly when tan from the summer sun. Additionally, you’ll be finding mostly girls with brown, black or brunette colored hair in Serbia.
On top of skin tone and hair color, Serbian women tend to be a little more, shall we say, “gifted” in particular areas than Ukrainian girls.
Serbian Girls Are Bodied Up
To put it bluntly: if you’re an ass man, or a tits man, the girls in Serbia are well endowed in these areas. Ukrainian girls, on the other hand, are sometimes more genetically gifted in the first area than in the second.
As much as I love Ukrainian women, many of them can have awkward, skinny little bodies that, despite perfect hair, makeup, clothes, camera angles and Instagram filters, can occasionally be a little bit underwhelming.
Serbian women, on the other hand, are often properly bodied up.
Side note: If you want to have a more detailed look at some of them, check this website out.
Are Serbian Girls Tall?
Furthermore, while a Serbian girl may have a seriously nice figure, she may be a little bit taller than a Ukrainian girl.
Serbian girls are, for the most part…tall. It’s not uncommon that I meet girls in Serbia who are easily over 6′, or 182 centimeters.
This is obviously not every girl in Serbia, as there are plenty of girls that are a more “normal” height. The official stats say that the average female height is 166cm, or 5’5″. I can’t help but think it’s more like 5’8″.
Even still, if you don’t prefer women who are a little bit taller, you might be slightly disappointed. Personally, I don’t like tall girls. This eliminates about 20% of Serbian girls straight off the bat.
The other 80%, however, is very, very much worth chasing, in my opinion.
If you like fair-skinned, blonde girls, Ukraine is your best bet.
But, if you prefer tan-skinned brunettes that are a little more bodacious, Serbia is definitely worth looking into.
To be completely fair, you can find your preferred physical type in either country if you look hard enough. I’ve met plenty of Serbian women who could pass as Ukrainian, and vice versa.
Where they really differ from one another, however, is personality.
Personality
My good friend in Belgrade once imparted a classic piece of wisdom that could only be shared in a rare moment of honesty after a few shots of rakia.
It perfectly explains the difference between the Balkan mentality and the typical Eastern European way of understanding life and relationships you find in Ukraine.
“The Northern slavic people, they are like robots to us bro. Serbia is a very living country!”
He’s right.
When he told me this, he was practically screaming it at me in a loud, crowded Rock club in the middle of Belgrade. The entire place was jam packed, and everyone was in front of the stage, singing and dancing along to 90’s Rock music.
The Belgrade Rock Club
This included both men and women. Some people were dancing in a rather hilariously awkward way, but nobody cared. Everybody was perfectly in the moment, hands in their air with hips gyrating, screaming their lungs out to songs in a language they may not understand. They all had plenty to drink, but nobody is being particularly aggressive with each other. It was clear that some people have just met, and others have been friends for years, but it doesn’t seem to matter to them. These same people will probably sit around talking for hours afterward, smoking cigarettes and having a laugh, and only exchanging goodbyes when the sun finally comes up.
Let’s compare that to the typical Ukrainian “going out” situation.
4-8 people who have known each other for years on end will all sit around a table drinking, smoking hookah, and maybe dancing after the booze kicks in. The music will, almost certainly, be cheesy Top 40 dance music played at an insanely loud volume where nobody can hear each other talk at all. Of course, the girls will have to start dancing first, and only then will the men be reluctantly dragged into it also. Everybody will be relatively quiet until the men get ridiculously drunk off of vodka, at which point things will start to get a little rowdy. Two men may get into a fight. One guy with a smoking hot girlfriend will just sit there all night, saying absolutely nothing. Everyone will go home at 3:30 AM.
Next week, they will do it again.
I could not imagine a place like the Rock bar my friend took me to existing in Ukraine. No way.
As you can see, there’s a clear difference in mentality between these two countries.
Serbian Girls: Mentality
To put it simply: Serbians are a very lively group of people. Belgrade is a great place for making friends, and Balkan men are very talkative, sociable, and engaged.
Be ready to be a part of this if you plan to spend a lot of time in Serbia.
Serbian women, on the other hand, tend to like to dance, use loud, expressive language, and generally just say what’s on their mind. They’re the female equivalent of the men in their country. Hotter climates tend to breed more charismatic personalities, and Serbia is no exception.
That’s not to say Serbian women are obnoxious, per-se, but you’ll definitely have to be a little more charming in your endeavors with Serbian girls than you would with a Ukrainian.
Not sure which country is right for you?
Let me ask you some questions…
It Comes Down To You
Do you find yourself to be naturally sociable, outgoing and charismatic? Each of these traits is important when picking up the average Serbian woman. The most successful pickups I noticed involved clear, physical escalation early on in the interaction in addition to a rather talkative, chatty demeanor on the part of the man.
Or, are you a more chill, laid back type of guy? Ukrainians are far more soft-spoken. They have a “cool and serious” demeanor about them that I find matches my own personality quite well. Charisma is necessary, and it will certainly have to be toned down if you don’t want to scare them away.
Both types of women appreciate straightforward, masculine traits. How you will show that you’re in possession of these desirable characteristics, however, is going to differ.
In the end, this is very much going to depend on your own personality. Some guys (myself included, at times) will find the Balkan culture exhausting.
With plenty of people wanting to hang out, talk and the need to be very much “switched on” and sharp when approaching girls, a more introverted guy can really struggle while in Serbia.
That’s not to say you can’t do it if you’re naturally a bit more of a chill guy, but I’d plan to psyche yourself up a little bit and be ready to be quite a “chatty Cathy” on your nights out.
On the other hand, a more outgoing guy may find Ukrainian culture to be cold, robotic, and boring. People can be turned off by your excited nature in conversation. A general tepidness to new people can send mixed signals about where you stand with them.
Let’s take a closer look at two different men, and how their individual personalities fit into both Serbian and Ukrainian culture.
The Belgrade Boy
Danny is a 27-year-old American guy from California.
He’s loves going out, and you can usually find him at a local bar most nights of the week. He’s either meeting up with an old friend, talking smack with a local guy, or even flying solo to go make new friends.
Danny takes it upon himself to approach groups of people, unafraid of if they’ll like him or not. He often tells stories about traveling throughout Europe and South Africa, is inquisitive about the lives of other people, and is a genuinely good listener.
He’s even picked up some of the local language, and though he speaks it badly, the locals find him endearing and genuine.
Danny is the kind of guy who does particularly well in Belgrade if you haven’t already noticed.
Danny has amassed a large group of Serbian friends, who introduce him to girls pretty constantly. As he’s always getting invited out, has had a few long term relationships, and tells people Serbia is the best country for a single guy in Europe. He believes it, too.
Let’s not forget his praise of the country is somewhat biased due to his own character traits.
Serbian girls like Danny because he is charismatic, outgoing and has a large group of friends. Ukrainian girls, however, may look at a guy like him and think he’s a bit “too much.” He would have to seriously tone down his game before going to Ukraine.
On the other hand, we have Jack.
The Ukrainian Expat
Jack is in his mid-20’s, is from Florida and has a similar life story to Danny.
Jack lives in a luxurious apartment in Kyiv and is a bit more of a homebody. While he likes going out, he’d much rather invite a girl to his house to “watch a movie,” where he will cook dinner and spend time with her without being in a huge group of people. He enjoys going on coffee dates, trips to wine bars, and of course, going for walks.
To meet girls in Kyiv, Jack and a few of his friends usually go out a few times a month to approach girls at night, though he doesn’t particularly love doing it. Even still, he’s successful enough to get phone numbers, go on dates, and seal the deal after 4-5 encounters. He enjoys every minute of it.
While Jack may only have a few real friends, he regularly puts himself out there and meets girls everywhere he happens to be, taking the chance to turn any interaction into the potential for a new date. It doesn’t matter that Jack doesn’t have dozens of “friends” he barley knows, because Ukrainian girls appreciate Jack’s straightforwardness and boldness.
Of course, Jack’s personality is more suited towards Ukraine. Ukrainian girls like Jack because he comes across as masculine, stylish and interesting, not because he’s the most talkative guy in the bar
Jack vs. Danny: Different People Do Well in Different Places
Jack finds guys like Danny to be a little bit “extra” and gets particularly annoyed when people like him approach his table at the bar. Most Ukrainian people would agree, and see Danny as being sketchy at best, and annoying at worst.
Jack is the kind of guy who does very well in Ukraine. But, if he were going to Serbia, he would have to prepare himself to get more integrated with social circles and “open up” a little bit more than he usually does. Otherwise, Serbian girls would look at him like he’s autistic and joke that he acts like a robot.
Jack would have to work on his social circle game, become more of a conversation starter and give himself permission to be a bit more outgoing.
In either case, both men are enjoying each culture and definitely getting laid, and are clearly in places that are well suited to their personalities.
Ask yourself: are you Danny, or are you Jack?
Would you be willing to adopt traits of the other to do well in each country?
You might have to.
Speaking of getting laid, there are a few nuances of getting physical in both countries that you should be aware of when comparing the two.
Serbian Girls & Sex
I’ll start off by saying that Serbian women are definitely not “easy,” but that they’re certainly less traditional than Ukrainian girls. They’re about the same level of difficulty as Russian girls. In fact, traditional is not really something that comes to mind at all when thinking of Serbian women.
Case in point: my first time in a Serbian nightclub, I was introduced to a gorgeous, 155cm Serbian girl who we will call Alessia. She was out with a few friends, and a mutual acquaintance introduced us.
After a standard hello, one of her male friends remarked at how I have quite a muscular chest. I had just left the gym an hour earlier, it was hot, and I was wearing a t-shirt that was a size too small. Typical for me.
He even (jokingly, I hope) put his hand on my pectorals and said: “Wow, nice man.”
It came across as pretty gay, and I didn’t like it. While I may have told him to check himself, it didn’t take long for the girl he had just introduced to practically maul me.
She walked right up to me, looked me in the eyes, and put her hands on my waist. I returned the gesture, led her over to a table on the side of the club, and we immediately started making out. It was here that the charisma had to come into play, entertaining her and keeping her interest for the next hour before we bounced back to my house.
THIS WOULD NEVER HAPPEN IN UKRAINE.
Belgrade Is A Bit Less Traditional
Okay…maybe NEVER is a bit strong. But seriously, in all my years of living in that country, majority of the guys and I have never been mauled by a girl in such a direct manner.
The closest thing that’s happened to me in Ukraine is getting a casual ass grab from a flirty girl in a crowded club. Of course, she didn’t stick around to say hi afterward. Go figure.
While one night stands, club make-outs and other hedonism certainly takes place in Ukraine, it’s not a very sex-positive culture.
Serbian women, on the other hand, are far more open to the idea of sex. It’s just not as much of a shameful, taboo subject as it is in Ukraine.
I have even met a few friends here who told me that they were in “open relationships” in Belgrade. While that’s totally not my cup of tea, I’d imagine you can get pretty damn freaky in Belgrade if that’s what you’re into.
Simply put: with a city as big as Belgrade and a culture as lively as that of Serbia, there’s nothing stopping you from having a few friends with benefits (or plates, as we call them) on rotation at any given moment.
But of course, you’ll have to meet them first.
Meeting Serbian Girls
In Serbia, both day and night game are fully viable options for meeting women.
Meeting girls during the daytime is as simple as approaching girls on the street, in coffee shops, or in touristy areas with the classic: “do you speak English,” line. From here, you gradually escalate the interaction to something more personal and end by getting a phone number.
The template for this is exactly the same as it is in virtually every other country. The other benefit here is that meeting girls in the daytime is generally pretty low pressure. You ask a simple question, and if she shows interest in you, you keep talking.
Night game, on the other hand, will require you to be a little bit peppier and be ready to be a bit of an entertainer. It never hurts to approach with something a little more contrived.
Typical bits such as approaching a group of girls who are on their phones with “You all look like you’re having more fun than anybody here” is a solid strategy. Other favorites are as follows:
“My friend and I were arguing, and I told him you look like you’re from Greece. Are you Greek? You totally look like it.”
“So hey, I was wondering if you could do me a favor. Me and my friend are here from out of town and we’re trying to figure out where to go after this club closes. Do you girls have any ideas?
…and so forth.
The Cartoon Network Opener
Here’s a killer line that I myself made up that has never failed for me. Drop it in your conversation at some point to get your Serbian love interest to laugh.
“You speak English really well. So, what’s your favorite show on Cartoon Network? I heard that’s how you all learned English. I like Ed, Edd, and Eddy, but you look like you watched Dexter’s Laboratory.”
My millennial readers who grew up watching cartoons will understand this. In short, Serbia was one of the first Balkan countries to have the American television channel Cartoon Network broadcast in it. Kids grew up watching it, and the local joke is that it’s helped them master English.
If you’re over 35, I wouldn’t bother with this one.
Use it wisely!
Social Circle Game in Serbia
Before coming to Serbia, everyone had told me about the importance of having a “crew” in the country. They described how women will often size you up to see who you are with, who you know, and if other people seem to like you.
It is yet another way she unconsciously “sizes you up” when getting to know you.
As I said earlier in this article, male friendships are very important in Serbian culture. Making friends is easy in that country because, well, that’s what you’re supposed to do in life.
Unlike in the atomized United States, Serbian culture still values brotherhood and camaraderie.
Women are aware of this, having watched their fathers, brothers and cousins engage in close friendships growing up. If you don’t have any close friends…that’s kind of weird to them.
To be honest, not having any friends should be weird to you too.
Social Circle Game in Ukraine
In Ukraine, by contrast, I found it doesn’t really matter who you’re with. It doesn’t even matter if you have any friends in the country at all. The girls just don’t seem to care.
Women in Serbia prefer to be with a man who they can integrate into their own social circles to a degree. This leads to the common misconception that Serbian women will only date local men, which is categorically false.
If a girl takes you out to meet her friends, can you manifest your cool and interesting character traits, or will you be an awkward bore that she will later regret bringing around?
It’s not rocket science. Dress well, tell some jokes, have stories about traveling the world, buy some rounds, and have a good time.
While meeting Serbian girls in real life is ideal, anybody considering traveling to Belgrade who isn’t also using online dating services to “pipeline” their matches before they arrive is making a huge mistake.
Online Dating in Serbia
Let’s make one thing clear: online dating is essential when going abroad!
When a man is thinking of traveling to another country in the search of fun times with beautiful girls, he must get prepared.
Sure, you can jump off the plane in Belgrade, hit the streets and start looking for girls. I’ve done it plenty of times…
But you know what else has happened more times than I care to admit?
I went home empty-handed. A lot.
There’s no shame in admitting it. We all strike out sometimes.
I thought I was “too cool” to do anything but meet girls in person. Unfortunately, all this attitude did was waste precious time that I could have been spending with beautiful Serbian girls.
International Cupid is a niche dating website/app that helps to connect foreigners with beautiful Serbian, Croatian, Macedonian and other Balkan women. International Cupid is a safe, super affordable service that’s is run by the same team that’s behind our favorite dating website, Ukraine Date. If you’re curious, you can check out our review of their services here.
The two are largely the same but targeted to different locations.
International Cupid totally blows other dating apps out of the water. I’d be lying if I said I didn’t meet more than a few of my favorite Serbian women (and even a long term girlfriend or two) straight from the app.
